History of the “WROW Radio: The Dave Lucas Radio Show”
The Internet Subculture and the JonBenet Ramsey Case
November 11, 1998 through May 1, 1999
History of Lance Matthews on the BNF
And The Dave Lucas Radio Shows
by ACandyRose, Saturday, June 15, 2001
The Dave Lucas Radio show was broadcast live via the Internet from station WROW in Albany, New York where scheduled shows covered the Internet subculture and the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation. Dave Lucas met Lance Matthews, an Internet poster and local to the Albany area who became a regular nightly guest host on the shows.
The seven recorded shows that are part of this ACandyRose Internet subculture "Webdollie" series were from December 30, 1998 through March 6, 1999. All real audio files available for this Webdollie web site were recorded off the Internet by ACandyRose (aka AuntieBJ) "as is" via non technical audio equipment setup during the live broadcast of the radio shows. The quality of the recorded shows may very and could contain background sounds unrelated to the recorded radio shows. The recordings were then encoded to real audio by ACandyRose and then split into smaller segments for easy uploading to a server account and for the consideration of those listeners with older PC equipment or WebTv.
The short five month history of the Dave Lucas radio shows that highlighted on the theme following the Internet subculture and the JonBenet Ramsey case surrounded around an Internet poster named Lance Matthews with the first show scheduled for November 11, 1998 and the last show aired on May 1, 1999
There were fifteen shows total that were broadcast between midnight and three o'clock in the morning and offered live interviews from some twenty plus well known authors, journalists, physicians, attorneys, photographers, handwriting experts and even Patsy Ramsey's sister, Pam Paugh. In addition there were some twenty plus Internet posters who called into the show asking questions and participating in interactive discussions with special guests and with each other.
Lance Matthews was a natural and had a good voice as a host for a radio program. In a press release dated December 30, 1998 Dave Lucas quoted, "I thought it would be fascinating concept to do a radio show zeroing in on that Internet subculture. Matthews would be the catalyst since he was well-known in pro and anti- Ramsey chat rooms and news forums." The radio station, WROW got RealAudio up and running but there were problems with the first two shows being received on the Internet. By the third show on December 30th the audio web site was working and the station set up a chat room for visitors on the Internet to communicate with the station hosts, Dave Lucas and Lance Matthews during the shows.
Lance Matthews was also actively promoting J.T. Colfax, a former cell mate from the Boulder County Jail with a "Inmates on the Web" project theme that included the experiment of interactive Internet forum discussions using letters written by Colfax in jail that were mailed to Matthews and in turn, Matthews mailed forum threads and chat logs to Colfax in jail to promote further discussions.
Colfax was still serving the last year of a two year sentence for theft of the sign in log sheet when JonBenet Ramsey was taken to the morgue in December 26, 1996. Colfax was also charged with arson after he turned himself into the Boulder police to confess to a stunt whereas he tried to stuff burning book pages into the Ramsey Boulder house mail slot which Colfax would later described as a desperate solution to other problems he had, both personal and legal during that time in his life.
That "Colfax on the Web" promotional project started in October 1998 by Matthews on the Boulder News Forum known to the Internet community as the BNF, an un-moderated forum comprised of a large membership of opposing groups not just in the pro and anti Ramsey or Colfax groups but those part of various cliques and/or forums in major opposition. The history of the subculture on the forums of those following this case would often include judging others on poster views, friendship with others, classifications of a posters beginnings or whether they were a lurker or active discussion participate and those who represented historical reminders of past flame wars on forums gone by.
Matthews reception on the BNF was not met in good favor by all while some were sympathetic and others felt Matthews was trying to shove Colfax down their throats. In the meantime Matthews sought the aid of a major forum owner to develop and maintain a web site on the Tripod server to house the Colfax's legal documents, stories and inmate letters.
By November 11, 1998, Matthews took Colfax to the airwaves via the Dave Lucas Radio show out of Albany, New York with his first show and a second show scheduled for December 23nd. By this time though a great amount of infighting known to the Internet community as "flaming" was occurring on the BNF between those members and members of a rival forum known as WebbSleuths that was owned by a poster named Murphy and moderated by another named Jameson.
J.T. Colfax, still in the Boulder County jail, became a target of these attacks on the BNF as part of his association with Matthews who in no short terms was creating some major hostility between posters from both forums where he started out on one end of the fence and then jumped to the other side while still playing both sides in addition to what many felt was instigating flaming between some posters and forums.
Matthews, on the other hand felt he was doing nothing wrong and that posters were just attacking him. Some posters felt Matthews association with a poster under the hat of "Gsquared," was a major wrong move and that association would prove to be fatal to both parties on the BNF in the months following because of past history poster war issues unrelated to Colfax.
By the December 23nd radio show, Matthews had let his position be known on which side of the fence he was on when he introduced Jameson as his special guest, another move that would prove to be fatal. Matthews was treading on very thin ice trying to balance his new interest in Jameson, a poster whom others had extensive historical hostile attitudes toward.
When the forum owner of Justice Watch, who created the J.T. Colfax web site informed Matthews that she could no longer help him he contacted me to maintain the site and I declined the offer. Matthews then sought the help of another poster under the hat of "Wiltonjr" who become the new webmaster. Wilton and Jameson were on the outs also since that previous summer and Matthews major mix and match of friends from different hostile groups was one of his downfalls on the BNF and with Matthews went his girlfriend, Lisa Flowers and Colfax.
The Dave Lucas radio shows were expanding into new directions beyond just the Internet subculture into live shows with guest such as Pam Paugh, Patsy Ramsey's sister, Andrew Hodges, Darney Hoffman as well as guest appearance by Linda McLean who authored, "JonBenet's Mother, The Tragedy and the Truth."
The December 30th show also had Richard Fleming, Editor of the Boulder Weekly and Justin Mitchell, an independent reporter and of course Jameson and her timeline, who Matthews repeatedly introduced and promoted as the authority on the case and Dave Lucas literally sold her timeline during air time as the archive record of the case history. Jameson's new notority as the archivist of the case, per Matthews and Dave Lucas, was not an opinion shared by a large percent of the Internet community.
The straw that broke the camels back on the BNF forum and would be considered an answer to the question Matthews asked so often as to "who drew first blood" on the BNF can be found on the January 1, 1999 Dave Lucas Radio show. Matthews had been heckled that if the show was to be about the Internet subculture then how come he didn't have the subculture on the show so he announced that the January 1st show would be just for the Internet forum posters to call in from all over the country.
That show gave birth to the historical captured recording by Samantha using the "Dminor" hat as an anonymous identity to call into the radio show and to give her opinion that Jameson was part of the Ramsey spin team and Samantha called Jameson a liar. That confrontation on the air caused major conflicts and attitudes that started the early flame threads in January 1999 although the invitation for the seeds of hostility had been planted a month earlier when Matthews sent e-mails to several posters, including Samantha and myself inviting us to use the broadcast show format to confront Jameson on the air.
That January 1st show also added major hostility between another poster using the hat of "LooLoo" (aka LoriAnn) who also tried to call into the radio show but was intercepted by Lance's girlfriend Lisa Flowers who was helping on the show to answer telephone callers. Just as LoriAnn called in, it was announced that the theme of the show suddenly switched from the Internet posters to discussion about J.T. Colfax. To the forum posters who were part of the WROW chat room that night it appeared obvious that Matthews was protecting Jameson from others voicing their opinions about their suspicions regarding her suspected role she played in the Ramsey investigation specifically but not limited to being a part of the RST (Ramsey Spin Team.)
Three days later the J.T. Colfax web site was suddenly hacked and a picture of a small boy flipping the bird was replaced on the front main page. To this date it is not known who was behind the hacking of the web site. All hell broke out on the BNF and what had already become a major flame forum against Jameson turned into major forum war against Matthews and the incarcerated Colfax who would later tell the story of how he had very little knowledge much less control over what Mathews was dong.
During January 1999 the vicious flaming was so intense on the BNF that many wondered if the forum would close any day. Matthews became vicious with vile postings and filthy language directed mainly toward a group known as the "queens" and their immediate friends and the forum gave birth to massive anonymous members including Matthews under faux hats to attack and counter attack. Matthews claimed the only people who had the password to the now defunk J.T. Colfax web site were himself, Wiltonjr and the previous forum owner who created the site and with that Matthews targeted Wiltonjr as the hacker of the web site. Wiltonjr denied the hacking and that created additional hostility toward Matthews by Wiltonjr and his supporters.
For two solid weeks Lance Matthews was on the war path to point the finger at such posters as Samantha for when she called into the show under the "Dminor" hat and myself and several other posters on the BNF tried to be a voice of reason that Matthews had brought a lot of what happened onto himself. In private, he encouraged posters in December to call into the shows and confront Jameson and he claimed he was being impartial to allow all views, both pro and anti Rams but Matthews was allowing Jameson to voice her views against other forum posters like calling Mrs.Brady the lynch mob on the air but because she didn't do it directly to Mrs.Brady it was not considered confrontational but it was still an attack on another poster.
The "Wheel of Fortune" game thread started on the forum revealed a lot of personal information about Matthews and his family and when Gsquared came forward to tell the others that it was Matthews who posted a flame attack thread against one of the "queens" group from the previous fall then accusations began whereas Matthews accused Gsquared of paying him to go to a Kinko's to post the information. Gsquared denied the purpose of the money being paid saying it was toward Matthews long distance telephone bills. Matthews went up against the wrong crowd and he paid the price.
On January 16th a diversion of sorts occurred that temporarily brought the flame war against Matthews to a halt when an incident labeled as the "Tyzano Rape Hoax" happened. A poster under the hat name of "Penny" posted on Murphy's WebbSleuths forum using the logon of the Tyzano hat account posting that she was a friend of Tyzano's reporting that Tyzano had been raped in real life in the presence of her small child and giving the reason being that personal information was posted on the BNF that allowed the rapist to locate the real life location where Tyzano lived
Another poster coped the post from the WebbSleuth's forum to the BNF and shortly after several of the WebbSleuths posters came to the BNF to attack and accuse the BNF members, specifically Gsquared and two others known as Ted and Stingray. Additionally other BNF posters were being accused of insensitive caring toward Tyzano and the concern for personal information being posted on the open forums.
Lance Matthews, along with Jameson were two of the posters who claimed to be in e-mail communication with the "real" Tyzano during this reported period claiming the incident was not a hoax and Matthews even made an announcement on the January 16th Dave Lucas show about the reported rape. When the BNF posters asked Matthews to produce the e-mails to prove the incident was not a hoax he reported the e-mails had been lost. Matthews along with Jameson and a few others were called liars and accused of being a part of the hoax.
Dave Lucas, in the meantime was now calling Matthews, the "Internet personality," and giving an appearance during the live shows that Lance Matthews was well liked with massive supporters. During all of the behind the scenes hostility, Matthews was continuing to play guest host on the radio show as he increased his guest list to popular side show players but the attitudes of many vowed not to listen to the broadcasts.
By the middle of February on Valentine's Day Matthews posted what he called his "Valentine Day Special" on the JonBenet Ramsey discussion forum of the BNF, which was a disgusting and vile story of donkeys and whores who he named "Gsquared" and "Scoobi," the names of two regular members of the forum. The next day on the 15th of February Matthews posted a message on the BNF inviting everybody to a special Dave Lucas radio show discussion to talk about the issues on the forum in what he called, "Matthews solution to the BNF."
The "Valentine Day Special" was in my opinion the worst posting I had ever read much less that it came from Matthews. Many others voice similar opinions and word was out suggesting to boycott the radio shows. I set up to record the show that night of February 15th as I listened in amazement as both Matthews and Dave Lucas made fun of the BNF posters. They were joined by Jameson in what appeared to be a stand off with "them" against the BNF. A few posters showed up in the wrow chat room.
The only Internet poster who called in was LoriAnn who was known as "LooLoo" and later "Poisnivy" on the forum. She let the listening audience know that it was her opinion that Lance was playing the victim and that he was just as responsible for the flaming on the forums as where the others. The three hour February 15th show is the only one that I completely typed a written transcript for as a documented history of just some of the things that go on behind the Internet subculture. And although ninety percent of that show was comprised of Matthews and Jameson talking about the Ramsey case one can read that transcript and view a larger picture of how the radio show was used that night, in my opinion as a controlled venue to flame other posters.
After the February 15th show there were four more scheduled shows the end of February and into March and April with guests like Charles Bosworth, Dwight Wallington, Lawrence Schiller, Chuck Green, Stan Oliner, Cina Wong, Darney Hoffman, Judith Phillips, Frank Coffman, Micheal Tracey and Dale Yeager. And during those two months Lance Matthews vowed to not play into the flame wars on the BNF. But the month of April and into May brought a new group of anonymous posters to the BNF who wrecked total havoc on the forum. Many believed Matthews was behind the attacked but nobody would prove that.
The last Dave Lucas radio show aired on May 1st and had no scheduled guests other than Matthews and his friend, another forum poster under the hat of "Rushnut." On May 8, 1999 Matthews posted on the Boulder News Forum that Dave Lucas had been in an automobile accident and was hit by a drunk driver and that his car was totaled. A few posters on the forum expressed their sympathy while others doubted the story. Shortly after that Matthews posted on the WebbSleuths forum that Dave scheduled a special chat session in the Wrow chat room where he said Dave Lucas was to appear to explain what happened and why the Dave Lucas show was being cancelled.
At 10pm on the 8th of May a dozen posters showed up in the chat room. Matthews was short on answers and claimed that Dave was going to show up any minute with a full explanation. While the posters were waiting for Dave to appear, Matthews made the comment, "Dave was rear-ended by a drunk driver... he is just tired working for that station and the timing was good to cancel the show." Matthews also informed the group in a posting that he, "would have his own station up and running soon." While waiting for Dave, Matthews continued to promote the Colfax jail letters by posting the Sunnyday.com url for posters to visit the web site.
Finally a poster under the hat name of "CrashVictim" appeared in the chat room introducing himself as Dave Lucas and who posted the following,
"The show IS over! We have several options including setting up a web-based station. I did want to reassure everyone that I am okay post-crash. We seem to have filled the airwaves with many great shows and I am glad that many people enjoyed them but it is time to move on. New email address is DaveLucas@juno.com. A ll I have to say is that we had a great run but it is time now to rest! I am recuperating at home... my car is in autoheaven."
And with that "CrashVictim" left the chat room.
That was the last time anybody on the forums heard from Dave Lucas. Dave simply disappeared although many believe there is a story behind the cancellation of the radio shows that is yet to be heard.
On May 20, 1999 the Boulder News Forum closed for good after intense flaming attacks by unknown persons with vile and filty postings about JonBenet Ramsey.
by ACandyRose
Saturday, June 15, 2001
http://webdollie.tripod.com/index.htm
INDEX OF GUESTS AND INTERNET CALLERS
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AK, Internet poster (02-27-1999) ***
AK, Internet poster (03-06-1999)
AK, Internet poster (03-13-1999) ***
Andrew Hodges, author of "A Mother Gone Bad" (12-30-1998)
Andrew Hodges, author of "A Mother Gone Bad" (01-30-1999)
AuntieBJ, Internet poster (aka ACandyRose) (12-23-1998) ***
Beanie, Internet poster (11-11-1998) ***
Beanie, Internet poster (12-30-1998)
Beanie, Internet poster (01-01-1999)
Brenda, Internet poster (03-06-1999)
Brenda, Internet poster (04-03-1999)
Catnip, Internet poster (01-01-1999)
Charles Bosworth, Co-author of "Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey" (01-30-1999)
Charles Bosworth, Co-author of "Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey" (02-27-1999)
China, Internet poster (01-01-1999)
Chuck Green, Columnist for The Denver Post (03-06-1999)
Chuck Green, Columnist for The Denver Post (04-20-1999) ***
Cina Wong, Vice Pres. of NADE (03-13-1999) ***
Connie, Internet poster (01-01-1999)
Cyril Wecht, Author of "Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey" (02-27-1999)
Dale Yeager, Executive Director of Seraph (01-30-1999)
Dale Yeager, Executive Director of Seraph (02-06-1999)
Dale Yeager, Executive Director of Seraph (04-24-1999) ***
Dan from Alaska (03-06-1999)
Dan from Alaska (03-13-1999) ***
Dan Meltzer (Rushnut) (05-01-1999) ***
Darney Hoffman, New York Attorney (12-23-1998) ***
Darney Hoffman, New York Attorney (12-30-1998)
Darney Hoffman, New York Attorney (01-30-1999)
Darney Hoffman, New York Attorney (02-06-1999)
Darney Hoffman, New York Attorney (03-13-1999) ***
Darney Hoffman, New York Attorney (04-19-1999)
Dminor, Internet poster (01-01-1999)
Dear Clarksburg Song by Randy Walker (12-23-1998) ***
Dwight Wallington, author of "A Little Girls Dream" (01-30-1999) ***
Dwight Wallington, author of "A Little Girls Dream" (02-27-1999) ***
Frank Coffman, Photo Journalist and Independent reporter (04-03-1999)
Frank Coffman, Photo Journalist and Independent reporter (04-19-1999)
Frank Coffman, Photo Journalist and Independent reporter (04-20-1999) ***
Frank (unknown caller) (12-30-1998)
Ginja, Internet poster (01-01-1999)
George from Chatum (12-23-1998) ***
George from Chatum (12-30-1998)
Gsquared, Internet poster (Disconnected) (12-30-1998) ***
Harmony, Internet poster (02-06-1999)
Helen, Internet poster from California (01-30-1999)
JanBrady, Internet poster (11-11-1998) ***
Janet, Internet poster (02-06-1999)
Jameson, Internet poster (12-23-1998) ***
Jameson, Internet poster (12-30-1998)
Jameson, Internet poster (01-01-1999)
Jameson, Internet poster (02-06-1999)
Jameson, Internet poster (02-15-1999)
Jameson, Internet poster (03-06-1999)
J.T.Colfax Pre-recorded in Boulder County Jail (12-30-1998)
Judith Phillips, JBR's Photographer and former Ramsey friend (04-03-1999)
Justin Mitchell, Independent Reporter (12-23-1998) ***
Justin Mitchell, Independent Reporter (12-30-1998)
Lake, Internet poster (02-06-1999)
Lake, Internet poster (02-27-1999) ***
Lance Matthews (11-11-1998) ***
Lance Matthews (12-23-1998) ***
Lance Matthews (12-30-1998)
Lance Matthews (01-01-1999)
Lance Matthews (01-16-1999)
Lance Matthews (01-30-1999)
Lance Matthews (02-06-1999)
Lance Matthews (02-15-1999)
Lance Matthews (02-27-1999)
Lance Matthews (03-06-1999)
Lance Matthews (03-13-1999) ***
Lance Matthews (04-03-1999)
Lance Matthews (04-19-1999)
Lance Matthews (04-20-1999) ***
Lance Matthews (04-24-1999)
Lance Matthews (05-01-1999) ***
Lawrence Schiller, Author of "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," (03-06-1999)
Linda McLean, author of "JonBenet's Mother, Tragedy and Truth" (12-30-1998)
Linda McLean, author of "JonBenet's Mother, Tragedy and Truth" (Cancelled) (01-30-1999)
Lisa Flowers (01-01-1999)
LoriAnn (LooLoo/Poisnivy) (02-15-1999)
Maxi, Internet poster (01-01-1999)
Maxi, Internet poster (01-30-1999)
Micheal Tracey, Professor University of Colorado (04-20-1999) ***
Mystery Guest (01-30-1999)
Mrs. Brady of Mrs.Brady's Url's (11-11-1998) ***
Mrs. Brady of Mrs.Brady's Url's (12-23-1998) ***
Mrs. Brady of Mrs.Brady's Url's (12-30-1998)
Mrs. Brady of Mrs.Brady's Url's (01-01-1999)
Mrs. Brady of Mrs.Brady's Url's (01-30-1999)
Mrs. Brady of Mrs.Brady's Url's (02-06-1999)
Mrs. Brady of Mrs.Brady's Url's (02-27-1999)
Mrs. Brady of Mrs.Brady's Url's (03-06-1999)
Mrs. Brady of Mrs.Brady's Url's (03-13-1999) ***
Mrs. Brady of Mrs.Brady's Url's (04-03-1999)
Mrs. Brady of Mrs.Brady's Url's (04-19-1999) ***
Mrs. Brady of Mrs.Brady's Url's (04-20-1999) ***
Pam Paugh, Patsy Ramsey's sister (12-30-1998)
Pam Paugh, Patsy Ramsey's sister (Cancelled) (01-30-1999)
Patricia Calhoun, Editor of Westword (11-11-1998) ***
Randy Walker (12-23-1998) ***
Richard Fleming, Editor of the Boulder Weekly (12-30-1998)
Rodney, Internet poster (01-01-1999)
Scoobi, Internet poster (12-30-1998)
Stan Oliner, Curator for the Colorado Historical Society (03-06-1999)
Stan B. Walters ("The Lie Guy"), 22 years lie detection trainer (11-11-1998) ***
Stan B. Walters ("The Lie Guy"), 22 years lie detection trainer (12-23-1998) ***
Steven Singular, author of "Presumed Guilty (01-30-1999)
Texas1, Internet poster (03-13-1999) ***
Tom from California (03-06-1999)
Whispering Ed (04-19-1999)
Wiltonjr, Internet poster (01-01-1999)
The Dave Lucas Radio Show
Radio Promo November 11, 1998
FROM THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
RADIO SHOW!!!!
matthews - 02:14pm Nov 11, 1998 MST
Hi, Tonight (Nov.11th) on WROW in N.Y., the midnight D.J. (Dave Lucas) is doing a special on JonBenet Ramsey Murder Subculture. The JBR segment will begin at half past midnite N.Y time. The invited guests include J.T.Colfax (we still are trying to get confirmation on HIS end), Patricia Calhoun from Westword, The Lie Guy, and others. I will be a guest in the studio during the broadcast.
I would like to use this thread to also invite others... GOETHE2, MURPHY, TEXAS1 and any others from the "websleuths crew"!
You folks always gripe about how the RamRam specials are slanted, or to coin a phrase from Texas, "JADED". Well here's YOUR chance to stop HIDING BEHIND your keyboards and moniters and join me on the air in a LIVE public forum. You love to sit and speculate on this and that, BUT CAN YOU come out into the open to discuss YOUR views?
I know in the past, the Websleuth crew has knocked any public broadcast THAT doesn't EXCLUSIVELY proclaim the innocence of the Ram. BUT... THIS TIME YOU ARE FORWARNED AND CORDIALLY INVITED TO PARTICIPATE!!!!
It would be nice to have "BOTH SIDES" of the story represented!
Welcome one, welcome ALL. I have hopes of that this broadcast will turn into a "Jury Room" type thing. Whereby, taking it in it's original context, we will have a place for "both sides" to meet and hang out.
DAVE LUCAS SHOW WROW590 at half past midnight N.Y. time!
One - Eight Hundred - WROW
One-Eight Hundred- nine seven six- nine five nine zero.
PONTIFICATE and then hide.
matthews - 02:51pm Nov 12, 1998 MST
PRORAMS...GET YOUR PRORAMS HEYA'....PRORAMS, GET YOUR PRORAMS. I can here the barkers shouting the call loud and clear. Picture the scene; Phatsy gets indicted AND the croud goes wild. Screams of glee, tears of joy and relief abound!!! Oh what a day it will be for JUSTICE for that little girl with the funny name. She smiles down from heaven content THAT her cries of help, although falling on deaf ears at first, were finally heard by the Grand Jury and the majority of the population. She may now move on and FINALLY rest in peace. It is a good day to be an American. It is a good day for JUSTICE. It is a good day for everyone, almost everyone that is...
...It will not be a good day for Phatsy or Mr. RamRam! It will not be a good day for all those who hold steadfast to Ramsey innocence i (dispite the indictment AND the overwhelming evidence.) The latter will flock together to whisper how it is all sooooooo unfair. "Those nice Ramseys just couldn't have done it", will be their only cries. THERE ONLY CRIES. Oh, they'll say how the legal system's so unfair ('cept when it comes down to people that are "sick" like that Colfax guy). AND they will say what a wrong decision the GJ gave. AND THEN the will run and hide...Oh, the humility! To have backed those killers with all there efforts. To have put post after post of Ramseyspeak out in the forums and have been all along SUPPORTING MURDERERS. To held steadfast to NOT looking at ALL the pointing fingers of evidence (an extension of JBR's own heavenly hand, reaching down to point the way of the TRUTH about THAT night).
These folks will RUN AND HIDE. They will be done spouting off "Ramspin". AND will be such an "unsellable item" on ALL internet channels THAT they will have to hire barkers to walk down the isles of the forums and servers shouting in that old familliar hot dog pushers voice we all remember from our childhood trips to the ballgame.... "ProRams, get your ProRams heya'..." No thank you, I don't think I quite care for one of THOSE right now.
NOW, on pontificating and then hiding.... I invited the ProRams to come out from behind their computers and join in a radio show last night. Did they show? NO. I asked nicely, even explaining THAT I had hoped to get both views on the air in public. Yes, YOU probably would've been asked to name specifics details that would support YOUR beliefs THAT the Rams are innocent. YOU all do such a marvalous job of spin here, I figured THAT a LIVE broadcast would give you the perfect opportunity to "come out of your closets" and share your beliefs with the general public. DID YOU SHOW....NO! You have NO ONE but yourselves to BLAME when you cry and whine about all the "unfair coverage" those nice Ramsey folks are getting.
In an effort to 'enlighten' the Websleuth community (who still doubts that I am Matthews). I gave one of THEM my private e-mail addy and asked for this individual to contact me so THAT next time she wanted to speculate on "who I am" or any other aspect of "me", she could just ask. Did she? NO. More content to GUESS at stuff than to SEEK OUT THE TRUTH! Damn, THAT sounds familiar. No wonder THEY can believe in the innocence of the Rams
The Dave Lucas Radio Show
Radio Review December 23, 1998
POSTED ON THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
AuntieBJ's Radio Show Commentary
auntiebj - 05:47am Dec 23, 1998 MST
If you wanna dance, you have to pay the fiddler.
Well tonight was first for me. In all my years (and there are a lot of those), I have never talk to anybody on a radio show or ever been involved with any type of media for that matter. But this morning around one o'clock am, I was one of the unexpected participants of the Dave Lucas show in Albany, NewYork where, the topic of discussion was the Internet subculture surrounding the JBR case AND the man they called the mysterious J.T.Colfax. I personally never thought of him as mysterious. I had heard about the show from Lance Matthews as did so many others and had tried for the first hour to get the live show via the radio station's Internet www.wrow.com web page using the RealPlayer Plus with no success because it wouldn't work on the web page so I missed the first hour of the show.
I finally gave up and decided to go visit some friends in MIRC chat. But being the persistent person that I can be, I kept trying different methods to figure a way to listen to the live show. Finally while still in the chat room I was able to get on the air via telephone. Lance Matthews, one of our more zealous BNF forum favorites, to some, was a guest on the show. I spent the first hour basically listening to several other callers such as Justin Mitchell, a news journalist talking via telephone with Dave Lucas covering some old news and opinions on the JonBenet case. They also talked about J.T.Colfax and his Clarksburg project, his writings, his artwork, his criminal history and the events that surrounded his involvement in the various facets of the JonBenet murder case.
Another unexpected first was that I ended up on the air with the infamous Jameson, who by the way was a woman with a very soft spoken and almost angelic tone of voice. Much different than the perception of reading her various postings. I was under the impression from prior emails from Lance Matthews that a variety of forum posters were invited to bring a controversial subject and opinion to the show regarding the JonBenet forums.
Lance Matthews already knew from his email guest list that he was drawing together a rather controversial group to begin with much less to ask them to be on the same show without bring up controversial subjects that could create a atmosphoere of attitudes. But after I was on the air then Mr. Matthews informed me that this was a Christmas show and opinions were to be kept in a more spiritual tone so to speak. Sort of like thinking you were being invited to a dog fight and then being told that one of the dog was a princess and you must not do or say anything that would offend them.
POSTED ON THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
auntiebj - 05:49am Dec 23, 1998 MST (#1 of 6)
If you wanna dance, you have to pay the fiddler.
AuntieBJ's Commentary continued..........
I did want to ask Justin Mitchel his professional opinion as a journalist regarding the Frank Coffman photo session of John Ramsey in Boulder last week but he was no longer on the air by the time I got to ask the question so Lance gave Jameson the floor to ask her opinion and she said she felt enough was enough on picture taking and that she didn't blame John Ramsey for over acting. Did I say acting, I mean over reacting. So I asked her then didn't she think it was enough was enough to keep taking pictures of the house, the hell hole as they call it and she didn't seem to think that was problem because she said she felt that was something people wanted to see. But what if people wanted to see pictures of John Ramsey?
Well in essence, Jameson said John Ramsey was human and the house wasn't. My next question was going to be then why if they don't want their pictures taken or involved with media then why are they appearing in a documentary for the public to see? I mean, isn't one documentary enough is enough or at what point or what version should that be classified as enough is enough.
But then there was a station break and during at break I was informed again by Lance Matthews that this was a Christmas show and that I shouldn't be pressing these type of issues that could bring about a more controversial attitude opposed to opinion and upset a particular person who was basically making her first media debut and by making waves could create stone blocks in future media issues. Of course there was another telephone caller whose name was Roger who was voicing a rather strong opinion regarding the JonBenet case and the role of the keystone cops in Boulder and Matthews didn't even reminded that this was a Christmas show.
The second question I wanted to asked Mitchel again was why Lou Smit was involved with the plea bargain arrangements involving J.T. Colfax's case? Lance also turned that answer over to Jameson who said she had heard that Lou Smit was not involved with the actual plea bargain but that he was just wandering around outside the court room at the particular time that the plea bargain arrangements were being made for J.T. Colfax and just out of some curiosity Lou Smit just wanted to gawk in on J.T.Colfax to see what he looked like so hence, he was just there.
Up until tonight I was sure that Lance and/or Colfax had said that Lou Smit was actually and positively a member of the plea bargain team but tonight Lance admitted that he couldn't confirm that since Jameson said what she heard. So the question now is what really happened during the plea bargain arrangements and was Lou an active team member or just some old detective with an idle curiosity who had nothing better to do that day and why was J.T.Colfax making such an issue about this then?
POSTED ON THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
auntiebj - 05:50am Dec 23, 1998 MST (#2 of 6)
If you wanna dance, you have to pay the fiddler.
AuntieBJ's Commentary continued.......
The highlight of the evening though was the on air pre-interview that Dave Lucas had with J.T.Colfax. I have never met Colfax before nor have I personally ever written to him other than postings on the BNF forum and I have only read his letters here on the forum. I have heard all kind of stories, mostly bad about his escapades in Boulder, his attention seeking ego, his fascination with corpse photos, his arson attempts, etc., etc., etc. And any opinion I have regarding him has always been somewhat in a neutral position of just wondering in amazement just how and what made this man tick to do what he did trying not to be too judgmental along the way.
But after hearing him speak tonight, I have to say J.T.Colfax is an extremely intelligent man, very articulate, quite a different perception of what his letters, his artwork, his antics bring forth. If I didn't hear it for myself, I wouldn't believe it. I mean, one can see his humor in his writings, you can see his style and frankness in his honesty with no holes bared. The man basically tells it like its, no powder puffing the stories to make them more interesting. I was impressed with the interview and the man. And at the same time I am still in total awe of how in the hell he ever got himself into all of this mess or even finding the humor in photographing corpses.
I can only say that I do hope God will look kindly on him upon his release from the Boulder County Jail and help him see his way to as honest a life that parallels what he puts forth in his writings. Lance Matthews, on the other hand is quite a showman in my opinion and a media manager that J.T.Colfax could only have dreamed of. I can see why the two of them connected while in jail together. Both are very intelligent, aggressive, artistic.
My disappointment of the evening came during the last five minutes of the show when Lance Matthews gave his little speech thanking what appeared to be his hand picked sweetheart to be his telephone guest on his show and I don't mean L.Flowers. So I have to ask myself after looking back over the various e-mails and forum postings that highlighted the guest list to appear if this really was a JonBenet Ramsey show or a J.T. Colfax show or a invitation of controversial Internet forum members or a Jameson media debut for her pre-preparation from what he refered to as non media existence until now.
So like with J.T. Colfax, Lance Matthews has become media manager that Jameson could only have dreamed of. In closing I will say that Dave Lucus on the show was very professional and the show was enjoyable and interesting.
END OF POSTING BY AUNTIEBJ (aka AcandyRose)
POSTED ON THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
jameson_ - 01:57pm Dec 23, 1998 MST (#8 of 8)
http://members.tripod.com/~jamesonTimeLine
The show was a good one. It was balanced, informative, poignant and amusing. At one point I was laughing out loud. (Green jello indeed!)
I was hesitant to participate. For personal reasons, I have always chosen NOT to participate in such media programs. I am glad I came out for this one.
Thanks to Dave Lucas and Lance Matthews for having me on as a guest and for providing a place for different voices to be heard
END OF POST BY JAMESON
POSTED ON THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
matthews - 08:53pm Dec 26, 1998 MST (#50 of 50)
Thank GOD for the First Amendment !!!!
Well said Connie, My true intention of the radio show was to have all sides seen in an informative show. My big goals for the evening were to have Mrs.B give some backround on the forums and internet interest, then have Chris give the "anti-Ram" side of the fence and the forum she moderates, then Jams give the "pro-Ram" side of the fence and the forum she moderates. The evening would wind down with J.T.Colfax and the two extremes of THAT story, ie Ginja and Beanie.
I tried to have a balanced, informative, and unbiased show. Auntie came on after Mrs.Brady and Darnay were off(they got about 1hr 20min). She heard Jams and the aftermath....Listening to the tapes now I can understand how it looked to her. Ginja heard the first half of the show and didn't hear the rest. As it is with ALL stories...you can't formulate an accurate idea unless you hear all sides.
Dave's show is not a confrontational one. I had to talk over the format with him over many hours because of the possibilty of a confrontation on the air. He would just shut down all calls if that had occured.
My first disappointment happened when both Ma and Darnay had hung up...part of my agreement with jameson was THAT no one would be informed THAT she was going to appear. In all honesty she wasn't sure tHAT she would go through with it until the last minute and I didn't want to look like an idiot by announcing a no-show.
It took A LOT of litteral begging on my part to get her on the show. She was very reluctant. She also wanted to make it perfectly clear THAT this was a one time thing and she wouldn't do it again.
The anti-rams always complain THAT the ProRams never show up for "public" appearences. The ProRams always complain THSAT the JBR stuff in the media is slanted...I just wanted to be able to present BOTH views.
So, I am guilty of trying to put together an unbiased, informative program for others to be able to see this whole intrernet subculture that surrounds the JBR case from ALL sides. Please by all means...flame for this now.
END OF POST BY MATTHEWS
The Dave Lucas Radio Show
Press Release December 30, 1998
PRESS RELEASE
People are still talking about the appearance of Patsy Ramsey's sister Pam Paugh on "Dave Lucas Special Edition---JonBenet Ramsey--- the internet subculture" 12/30/98
"...the show was good. It was even. It was fair. Both sides got to say their peaces."--Lance Matthews (keeper of the JTColfax website )
"...Dave Lucas creates buzz--- he delivers the unexpected, the mysterious, the exciting--- stuff that keeps you awake long after the show is over."--Ariminda del Riviera (publisher "OneWorldBullet!n Online")
Syndicated radio talk shows are a dime-a-dozen on the internet. Thankfully WROW Program Director Paul Vandenburg is always ON THE BUTTON, having the foresight to get RealAudio up and running and establish a web-presence for am590 reaching far beyond anything Marconi ever dreamed about! A LOCAL radio station that covers the world! http://www.wrow.com
On 12/26/96 approx. 1:05pm 6 year old JonBenet Ramsey was found dead in her parents home in Boulder, Colorado. More than two years now have passed, and the murder remains unsolved. Like most people, I was moved by the case and followed all of the newspaper/magazine/TV reports.
Purely by chance, I met a gentleman last fall by the name of Lance Matthews who was drowning himself in the internet subculture that had sprung up around the Ramsey case. Matthews involvement came about as a result of his personal friendship with jailed performance artist JT Colfax (once a suspect in the Ramsey murder). Matthews (who had no previous knowledge about the internet or computers) built a shrine--- a website dedicated to the imprisoned Colfax; http://members.tripod.com/~JT_Colfax/index.htm
I thought it would be fascinating concept to do a radio show zeroing in on that internet subculture. Matthews would be the catalyst since he was well-known in pro and anti- Ramsey chat rooms and news forums.
We did two programs that would prove to be the "dress rehearsals" for the December 30th show... the two broadcasts never made it out onto the net because the RealAudio server had a habit of going down (and I did not know that the fix was relatively easy and could be done right from the backroom of the station!) On 12/30, RealAudio was up and running and the station website chat room wide open. (We maxed out the chatroom, reaching the total number of allowed users in short order!) Later, I started a thread on the Boulder News Forum that morphed into the fastest-growing thread that forum had seen in quite some time!
The evenings show was to be a first in the history of media coverage in the Ramsey case; Both "sides of the fence" (pro and anti-Ram) met in a venue that was not only neutral but comfortable and allowed both views to be aired and shared. Guests for the evening's broadcast included; Lance Matthews, in the studio; Mrs.Brady, of Mrs.Brady's URLs; Chris, Moderator of Justice Watch forums; Jameson, moderator of Web Sleuths forums; Richard Fleming, Editor of Boulder Weekly; Justin Mitchell, independant reporter MSNBC; Darnay Hoffman, N.Y.C. lawyer who had filed suit against Alex Hunter in the lack of prosecution in this case; Linda McLean, friend of Patsy and author of JonBenet's Mother:The Tragedy and the Truth; Dr. Andrew Hodges, psychiatrist and author of A Mother Gone Bad; The Hidden Confession of JonBenet's Killer .
The crown jewel of the December 30 broadcast was the appearance of Pam Paugh, Patsy Ramsey's sister, who chatted with us for more than TWO full hours--- the first time she ever took calls and answered questions from the public! Some of the information gleaned from the interview: Pam's insite to the idendentity of the real killer. The reason for the much talked about break in friendship between Fleet White and John Ramsey. (Fleet was with John when he discoved the body of JonBenet.) The first hand details of this event that occured after JonBenet's funeral.
Sound clips available at http://members.tripod.com/~MrWebb/index.html
We scooped/superceded DATELINE NBC as well! Here's what was said on DATELINE NBC Monday night 1/4/99 MYSTERIES SINK CASES, AND THIS INVESTIGATION IS FULL OF UNSOLVED MYSTERIES. NBC News Consultant Lawrence Schiller: Another great mystery, at least right now, is the DNA evidence found on JonBenet's body. Reporter:There was DNA evidence taken from JonBenet's fingernails? Schiller: YES. It may have been contaminated. The bands on the test strips are very very weak, but they haven't been matched to anybody. Reporter: Nobody in the family? Schiller: They haven't been matched to anybody. Not only members of the families, but playmates, or other people she associated with. Reporter: And Schiller says there's more DNA evidence that's even MORE troubling. There is a second source of DNA foundin JonBenet's underwear? Schiller: That is correct. It's a mixed stain. And we don't know yet whether the second source, the minor component, is saliva or blood, but certainly, if it doesn't match the father, which it doesn't seem to, doesn't match the mother, which it doesn't seem to, it has to be somebody else. Reporter: And who might that be? Schiller: We know police have taken DNA from other people they've questioned in the case. And just in the last few weeks, they took DNA from Patsy Ramsey's relatives in Atlanta.
Here's what Pam Paugh said on WROW 12/30/98 Question: Does the DNA under those fingernails actually match the DNA that was found in the panties? Pam: "Well, from what I know, the DNA under the fingernails, when it was collected, and ummm, I saw JonBenet's body (obviously) -- her fingernails had been removed fairly deeply into the nail bed ummm I would say about, oh on a child about an eighth of an inch from what we would call the half moon... ummm.. and later to find out though that when the fingernails were being removed the instruments that were used were not clean and nor were they taken out of a sealed sanitized package. They actually used previously used clippers and files and so forth so it was not known if THEY contaminated them or what--- so that had to be put aside as not useable. Secondarily then there was DNA found on the INside of her panties which is considered commingling DNA and that means that in other words if I touch your shoulder and then YOU touch your shoulder, ummm, those are unlikely to be touched in the same place Ummm if we however umm hold hands, and then or umm if I'm you know holding your hand or sticking my finger in your mouth or whatever and THEN it gets on the inside of your clothing, that's commingling DNA. So that's a long process to seperate that. And when it WAS seperated one strain of DNA does in fact belong to JB the other strain is unidentifiable. It has been tested against Patsy John and Burke's DNA and it is DEFINITELY a no-match."
So what's next for Dave Lucas and WROW? In the works: "Two Mysterious Disappearances" about missing SUNY-Albany coed Suzanne Lyall and pregnant NYC resident Kristine Kupka. I've been in touch with both families and we need to keep the cases in the public eye. There is even a web site is devoted to finding Suzanne Lyall at: http://www.sunnyday.com/suzanne/
We're also planning a special on "The Black ViewPoint" AND YES--- another very special broadcast dedicated to little JonBenet Ramsey, with special guests invited! The program currently airs Saturdays at Midnight on AM590 WROW Albany NY http://www.wrow.com Dave Lucas mrwebb@slip.net phone:
five-one-eight-four-eight-two-six-four-four-eight
END OF PRESS RELEASE
The Dave Lucas Radio Show
Radio Review December 31, 1998
POSTED ON THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
beanie - 02:33am Dec 31, 1998 MST
... Jameson is a Liar. ... Curious
This morning's radio interviews have generated REAL news. Pam Paugh eliminated Fleet and Priscilla as supects. She did a great job of defending Patsy to the masses. Pam killed the DNA. Pam outed Jameson. There was much more. This was a true Ramsey Case spectacular. My hat is off to Dave Lucas... a talk show host who is more interested in the topic, than his ego. Bless you, Dave. And Lance... What can I say... GREAT job!!! ... Curious
END OF POSTING BY BEANIE
POSTED ON THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
jameson_ - 03:05am Dec 31, 1998 MST (#4 of 20)
http://members.tripod.com/~jamesonTimeLine
Pam "outed" me ????? LOL
Pam told the truth - I am not related to the Ramseys and I do not work for them, or their lawyers, or their investigators.
We talked about my meeting the Ramseys last Spring - but that is on the TimeLine - no secret.
Pam said she and I have talked and met in person. Gee, is that a big surprise? (This happened last Fall)
We visited the cemetary together... surely someone will find a way to show how that proves the Ramseys did this and I am covering for them. God help me, I can't remember if we went dutch when we went to Dunkin' Donuts. I may not only be guilty of accepting a cup of coffee from John but of accepting a donut from his sister-in-law. Such high wages for two years of my life! What a joke...
But wait, I tend to pick up tabs... Maybe I bought HER the donut - Oh my, just what could THAT mean!!
I will tell you that we didn't take any photos of each other at the grave. Personally I find those "grave shots" offensive.
I think the show was a good one. Mrs. Brady, Darnay Hoffman, Andrew Hodges, Gsquared, SueBead, George and Frank from the Albany area, Beanie... they all spoke their minds.
And for once the other side was heard. Linda McLean, Pam Paugh and jameson spoke out.
For myself, I think I am quite done for a while. I had anticipated only doing one show, but certain things prompted me to call in again and I want to thank Matthews and Dave Lucas for the opportunity to speak. I think that the rumors about jameson and jameson's involvement here have been answered publicly in a manner that should end the continuous speculation on the forums. If posters choose to continue with their insistance that I am a member of the Ramsey family or on some Ramsey payroll, then they are clearly risking being accused of slander or libel.
I received a phone call informing me that there are posts on-line saying I am being investigated by the BPD or DA. I have spoken on these subjects with both of those agencies, long ago. I am not aware that either of these agencies has any desire to speak with me at this point. Once again, the forums are spreading rumors in a wasted effort to discredit me. Are the new rumors an effort to influence new posters or media who might just now be checking in? I wouldn't doubt it... typical forum thing.
Well, it is almost 5 am and I haven't made it to bed yet. I think the show was a good one... hope people really LISTENED and I hope justice is served...
END OF POSTING BY JAMESON
POSTED ON THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
lflowers - 01:52pm Dec 31, 1998 MST (#39 of 53)
I would think that this particular public appearance would have helped diminish at least some of the mystery and essentially tabloidesque speculation surrounding Jameson...certainly it does settle the question of her gender...and should have served to de villify her as well. I do not agree with Jameson's theories, but I do believe that her intentions are sincere...not rooted in ambition in the cheap sense; nor in a parsimonius desire for fame. This isnt about how much media exposure Jameson can get...about name dropping and other sleazy L.A. style publicity stunts turned under the table...
Jameson is indeed involved in this case on an intense emotional level; and perhaps, as with any kind of devotion of that nature, delusion is inevitably a factor.But nevertheless I believe wholeheartedly that her primary concern IS for justice for JonBenet, and not to promote herself as some kind of underground "celebrity" at the expense of a poor murdered six year old in wh0re's clothing. P.S. Patsy did it. (imo)
END OF POSTING BY L.FLOWERS
POSTED ON THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
Radio Show matthews - 09:09pm Dec 31, 1998 MST
Thank GOD for the First Amendment !!!!
Thanks for your tuning in the other night. I had fun and was quite entertained. I hope you all enjoyed it.
It took a lot of effort to get the show together and I left the studio last night with a sense of satisfaction, knowing THAT I had been able to present the show without too many flaws.
I have seen the proRam documentary or the antiRam shows and have watched the other sides bicker afterwards about how the show was so prejudice. I always have invited both sides to the show Dave puts on. I was glad jameson showed last time and I believe her appearance and the way the show was formatted (information NOT confrontation) paved the way for last night's show to happen.
I wanted to present a show THAT had both viewpoints. Everything I've seen or heard thus far has been slanted either Pro or Anti-Ram. It has always troubled me THAT no program ever covers both sides of the circus. My intentions were to provide a venue that was both "safe" and comfortable for both sides to air their POV's and there personal opinions about this whole JBR case. I feel THAT I accomplished this. I am very pleased THAT Pam and Linda showed and were willing to participate. Jameson going on the air last night was an unplanned event.
Thank you, Mrs.Brady, for facilitating the appearance of Darnay and Dr.Hodges! Thank you Everyone that listened in and went to the chat room on WROW. Special thanks goes to Pam Paugh, Linda McLean, and even jameson..... for without them we would have had another Ram bashing show.....and of course afterwards the forums would be saying how "chicken" the other side was for not showing up.
I frequently speak to jameson.... getting her to come on the first time was VERY hard. She has a very soft voice and was very self conscious about being heard on the air. Dave had to turn her line ALL THE WAY UP so she would match the other voices on the air. This accounts for the slight distortion you may have heard and some have commented on. I find jameson to be sincere in her belief of innocence of the Rams and acts according to her beliefs. She will collect and distribute anything THAT points away from the Ramseys to support and reinforce her POV. I have enjoyed many a late night argument about case, with her.....sliding in an occasional "Patsy did it!" from my side.
I enjoyed my conversations with Linda McLean previous to her appearance on last nights show. I find THAT she has a great foundation in the mechanics of debate. I don't agree with her theories on why Patsy "couldn't have done it" but I don't need to agree with THAT sort of POV to be able to present an unbiased venue for both sides to speak out. I find Linda to be a very good conversationalist and I hope to speak with her in the future. (Lets's all pray there isn't a 3rd anny of this chit)
Pam was a hard sell. Getting her to come on the air was a tough cookie to bite into. I had made her aware of my POV and THAT my involvement in the internet was prompted by the illustrious J.T.Colfax. (Prolly not a wise decision...but the end results are what counts, eh?) As with Linda, I enjoyed my conversations with Pam prior to the show. I find her support of her family admirable, regardless of my opinion of Patsy's involvement in JBR's death.
END OF POSTING BY MATTHEWS
The Dave Lucas Radio Show
Radio Promo December 31, 1998
For January 1, 1999 Show
POSTING ON THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
matthews - 09:09pm Dec 31, 1998 MST (#1 of 3)
Thank GOD for the First Amendment !!!!
As far as the guests from "my side" of the fence in respect to Darnay and Dr. Hodges, I will need to listen to the tapes before commenting, because I only heard one third of their broadcast due to running around like a chicken with it's head cut off in the studio. I actually only heard two thirds of the entire night.
Speaking of tapes....I will have all three nights available soon, and will post details upon acquiring them.
There will be a radio show tomorrow night, January 1st 12 midnight 'til 2 EST on WROW again. The show will be my story of involvement with the internet subculture, and of course the show will be centered around J.T.Colfax and his antics. I hopefully will have some interesting guests, but so far none are confirmed. I hope some of you who are reading this will support the show by calling in. The number is 1-8OO-WROW 59O.
LFlowers will be in the chat room like last night. I really think those of you who have pre judged this artist based on his corpse photos should tune in. And on that note, I leave you with J.T.'s comments about the internet... J.T. speaks out about YOU!!
And also ask THAT you visit The Colfax Diaries, for a perspective on him.....(There was a "glitch" in the mail and 8 more letters will go up on his site tomorrow....I am updating it daily now!)
Thanks again,
Lance Matthews
END OF MATTHEWS POSTING
The Dave Lucas Radio Show
Radio Promo Format Change
For January 1, 1999 Show
POSTING ON THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
2. "HELP!!!!!!!"
Posted by matthews on 10:02:33 1/01/99
Dave just called.....The format has changed.... The show will center on the internet subculture surrounding the case... as the last one was supposed to and never quite got there. The calls to the station manager prompted him to call Dave Lucas this morning, and in turn, Dave called me and asked me to tell all of you via these forums.
This is the message.... "Please call in tonight. Tonight's show is about YOU (the posters.)"
I have only been "on board" for a short time and most of you have more to say and are WAY MORE knowledgable on THIS!!!!
Okay I will now proceed to beg....PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE call 1-8OO-WROW59O.... (begging's not too atractive, eh?)
CALLING
G2...Mrs.B....Beanie....Ginja...Connie...Gofigure....Scoobi....Suebead....AND ANYBODY FROM "the other side" (accept those in Nebraska suffering from nudules on the brain)
The Dave Lucas Radio Show
Internet Classic Moments
http://webdollie.tripod.com/subcultureclassics.htm
CLASSIC MOMENTS
January 1, 1999 a poster named Samantha called into the show using the "Dminor" hat calling Jameson a liar on the air
http://webdollie.tripod.com/dminor.ram
January 1, 1999 an unknown woman called into the show suggesting that it was supicious that "WiltonJr" visited JonBenet's gravesite and suggested the call be traced
http://webdollie.tripod.com/01011999wiltonjr.ram
March 6, 1999 Chuck Green's conversation with Jameson insisting she give her real name.
http://webdollie.tripod.com/dl030699pt9.ram
April 3, 1999 Frank Coffman tells the story of when he photographed John Ramsey attacking him in Boulder, Colorado in 1998.
http://webdollie.tripod.com/04031999coffman1.ram
April 3, 1999 an Internet poster named Brenda confronted Judith Phillips on the air regarding
her selling JonBenet photos to the tabs http://webdollie.tripod.com/phillips.ram
April 19, 1999, Frank Coffman called into the show using the "Whispering Ed" anonymous persona to ask questions to Darney Hoffman that ended in a heated discussion on the air.
http://webdollie.tripod.com/dl041999pt10.ram
The Dave Lucas Radio Show
January 2, 1999 BNF Posting Comments
FROM THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
I like Jams......so flame me
matthews - 01:49pm Jan 2, 1999 MST
Thank GOD for the First Amendment !!!!
jameson is one of the most hated and attacked posters on this, The Jello Forum. When I first started posting here, I got in contact with a few people through e-mail. The BIG thing they would tell me about is "JAMESON", the legend and the myth. I was quite frankly bored and uninterested with the whole jameson phenomenon. I heard the tales of computer labs with RST working all day and night, how jameson was really John Andrew, Bynum, Lou Smit, and a pervert who's life's goal was to wander aimlessly through the Ramsey mansion while masturbating with a velvet sex glove (still trying to find THIS item ....only 357 shopping day till next Xmas.)
The mysterious entity, jameson, had said in a post once... "If you want to find out something, the best way is to just ask"
So I started e-mailing this corporate creation and asking "them" questions. I moved on to IM and eventually the phone with the now imfamous jameson. I found her to be very cordial and polite. I have had many conversations in length about a lot of things and views about life and with this case. I stated my POV, from the beginning ("WHAAAAAAAACKKKKK" is a Patsy induced sound effect.) she made clear her POV. Our personal opinions never stopped either of us from hearing the other out on a number of subjects. THAT is a mature thing IMO. I have thoroughly enjoy ALL conversations with her, as I find her to be very different from the "ProRamBorg" I've experienced on these forums.
I think she is sincere in her convictions as ProRam, and as I stated on the air, I find her vigilance to support her theories and her POV admirable. She does everything in her power (and to the thrill of the RST) to provide info THAT points to anyone but the Rams. Is she being used by them? Wouldn't you welcome someone like jams to defend you if the while county was against you? I would.
I don't know about the whole thing about "jam's lies" and "different people using the jamson hat" subject. No, I wasn't here for the beginning. I do know who jameson is now....I like THAT person. If you want to whine about someone's behavior two years ago...let me open this one for you all.... Two years ago I had a hellacious heroin habit. I had blown out all of my veins and any artery within a needle's reach. I was forced to "fix" through inter-muscular shots and on the rare occassions when I could find a jugular or corroted artery, you would find me at my bathroom mirror probing my neck with eine syringe for a "register."
The fact is...we ALL make mistakes and bad decisions. I find nothing wrong with THAT. I find it admirable to own up to these things and move on. I believe jameson has addressed and readdressed her early lies in chat. She said she lied...ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. For JonBenet's sake folks, LET IT GO.
As far as the case goes... I find her views on Ramsey innocence rediculous. I think she doesn't look at things THAT point at the Ramseys because, like an anorexic person, she cannot bear to consider the possibility THAT those nice Ramseys could have killed their daughter, and is blinded to anything even suggesting this. She on the other hand feels THAT my insistance on "PATSY DID IT" falls under the catagory of "a media swayed sheep" or "BORG." That's cool... it is only our own POV on this case and each others's decision on choice of fence side... nothing more.
END OF POSTING BY MATTHEWS
FROM THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
To Lance Matthews.....
auntiebj - 04:24pm Jan 12, 1999 MST
If you wanna dance, you have to pay the fiddler.
Matthews,
I think you are missing the boat here. You can hardly slam the poster who took the identity of Dminor on the Dave Lucas show for stating her POV other than she used a bogus hat. You sent out an e-mail plus posted on all the forums that the January show format had been changed and that it was as you put it in your e-mail as follows:
"In case you haven't visited the forums... Tonight's format has changed and the show is about YOU, the posters in the Internet subculture. I have only been online since Aug twenty-sixth, this year, and feel you have more to say 'bout this chit.....please call in!!!!"
When Dminor called in she was not out of control, she was not obnoxious, she was not vicious. She was calm and collected and she was voicing her POV and she had every right to do that as any other caller to the show. If you and Dave Lucas had a different format discussed prior to the show then that was something between you and Dave, not something all the Internet posters knew about. You angered a lot of the posters because you rubbed it in their faces that no matter what they said, no matter what they wanted to say, they were not allowed to say but you allowed your new friend to say whatever she wanted and because it was acceptable to you then it was okay to let her voice her POV.
Obviously many of them have a problem with Jameson and you knew that well in advance. You were playing with fire and you were protecting her. You knew somebody was going to get burnt. Then you came out on this forum half cocked with your hair trigger attitude and temper along with your girlfriend and used vulgar language and attacked people with a vengeance. You, yourself in the past instigated people in relation to Jameson then turned around after you made friends her and slammed others for doing just what you used to do on the forums.
Remember when you were on WebbSleuths along with Obsessor? Remember when you clearly slammed others with foul language horribly on this forum as they rubbed Obsessor in your face. You didn't like it and you couldn't understand their POV. If it had been Obsessor on the show would he have been allowed to voice his POV as you did with Jameson? You were showing favoritism Lance. You brought your new friend to the radio show and you allowed her all the air time YOU wanted her to have. And I am not saying she is not allowed her POV, she has as much right as everybody else does.
But the point is that everybody else did not have the right and you were blocking them. You were clearly bias. What you care about is promoting J.T.Colfax and now obviously Jameson. And you have every right to promote your two new friends. Who knows maybe Jameson can get you a spot on the new Crock. Another project, another gig. But don't drag all the other posters into your little show so you can make fun of them and use them and that is just what you did on all of your radio shows behind the scenes. And yes, you invited a lot of posters but ask yourself why many of them didn't show up on previous shows? Your shows had great promise but I think you let it go to your head with your obsession for control.
Then somebody hacked your web page. I am sorry that happened. But again you went off half cocked and using foul vulgar language and blaming several others on the BNF forum. You had no proof at the time you were pointing the finger. You still have no proof. You clearly pointed the finger in the beginning at both Wilton and Chris saying they were the only two who had your password then suddenly it became three people who had the password then a half a dozen who didn't have the password. Remember when you wanted me to work on your Colfax web page? I am sure glad you never gave me the password or I am sure I would be on the list too. Maybe you need to look in your own back yard and find out just who has had access to your computer system and your web page.
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auntiebj - 09:56am Jan 13, 1999 MST (#39 of 40)
If you wanna dance, you have to pay the fiddler.
I will address this to Jameson since she felt it necessary to comment regarding my posting to Lance Matthews.
Jameson, you understood what Lance wanted you to understand about the radio show. He already told me he had a pre-arrangement with you prior to you coming on each and every radio show that he would "guarantee" that nobody would confront you. Now you tell me what is wrong with a confrontation regarding view points? Was he or you afraid that other posters would ask question you didn't want to answer? You want to voice your viewpoint and tell the world but you don't want anybody to dispute or confront any issue you post or talk about. It is called a debate Jameson. And if Lance had a prewritten list of question to ask everybody then how come he didn't ask you how you came up with the name of Jameson as a hat on the show as he asked everybody else that question? Was that just an oversight?
He plugged your TimeLine as the "Archive History" of the case and you know as well as everybody on these forums that your TimeLine is your POV. If you are passing off your TimeLine to screenwriters and movie producers and other media outlets then you are passing off your POV and at the top of your TimeLine you should clearly state that. When Beanie mentioned ReddHerrings website I didn't hear Lance or Dave jump on that as another good timeline that should be archived as a history record on the case. Last year when posters asked you about your personal involvement in the next documentary, you, yourself posted out on WS forum where you are the moderator the following on November eleventh last year ,
"The project is not about me as a poster, why I am following the case. It is not about "Ramsey Forums" or on-line wars. It is not about the TimeLine. None of these things deserve media attention, IMO. I wouldn't be involved if that was what they wanted."
So then why are you, yourself now plugging the TimeLine if you felt it does not deserve media attention? Why were you letting Matthews plug your TimeLine as an archived history on the case on a radio show that clearly went international via RealPlayer? You called several JW posters "Media W*ores" because they went on the Leeza show and other radio shows but then turned around and justified your own involvement in Lance's radio show and in this new project with Michael Tracy and David Mills where you are suppose to be the star of some new documentary on the case as acceptable and not in the same category as a "Media W*ores." Help me understand that?
The problem is that Lance did his homework for the show but the homework was YOU and your POV. He admitted he knew very little about the case so he should have had a opposition on the air with you who knew as much about the case as you did and that didn't include Pam Paugh or Linda McLean and you all shared the same POV. All good media shows have pro and con available on a subject at the same time. And no, I wouldn't have wanted to see a "Jerry Springer" type show either. It would have been a little hard for some posters to rip your eyes out on a radio show so I could understand you not appearing on a show where you might have physical contact with others who have a hostile attitude toward you.
Continued......
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auntiebj - 09:57am Jan 13, 1999 MST (#40 of 40)
If you wanna dance, you have to pay the fiddler.
Continued to Jameson……….
You, yourself got your little plug-in on the radio show insinuating that Justice watch posters are told what to post and that a person needs to be accepted to be a member. We are not told what to post. Good "Southern common sense" tells us what we should not post about. And let me tell you that I didn't know anybody on JW including the moderators of the site prior to registration and they didn't know me from a hill of beans and they never sent me e-mail, snail mail or contacted me via telephone as to who I was or what my POV was prior to be accepted. And Justice Watch has both Proram and Antiram posters as well as those who are neutral on the case.
One of the reasons Matthews did not show favoritism to JW is that he felt he was not treated favorable there as he had postings that were deleted and he had no problem whatsoever confronting China on that via the radio show to an international audience but he failed to mention that while he was on WS last fall that he was slammed and flamed horribly by your posters where you were the moderator and he had to literally get on the telephone with you and threaten you to delete the flaming postings. This is what I am talking about Jameson. Matthews was being bias and showed favoritism to you on the radio show because you are his friend this week, this month, maybe this year because for his own reasons has changed his POV after talking with you. And I don't have a problem with his friendship with you except that I don't want my e-mails to him forwarded to you as he forwarded yours to me in the past.
And yes, Dminor knew what she was doing. She stated that fact very clearly at the get go. Not many people knew what she was going to do prior to the show but it was no surprise once she was on the air. Like I said in my original posting here on this thread, Matthews knew well in advance what it was like out here on the forums and he knew who was on the whose negative list. He knew many posters had a problem with you for their own reasons. He was playing with fire and somebody was going to get burnt and it turned out to be Matthews and Lisa because they shoved you and your POV into everybody's faces who had a problem with you. Now you are on the "Matthew and Lisa pedestal" gleeing in your own ego that yet another group of people have shown you special attention..
In my opinion, Matthews and Lisa have become a valuable tool for you in your quest to promote your own Timeline and POV on the JonBenet Ramsey case. A case I feel you are entirely too personally involved with and as long as you remain in the postion you have taken, others on these forums will continue to do what they have done. You should be use to it and I don't see anything changing. And further in my opinion, is that you, yourself have been promoting your POV and your TimeLine for quite some time, long before Matthews or Lisa appeared on the scene. They have just served as your verbal voice to the world beyond the Internet so I think you could print a retraction on those original postings in your own words: "None of these things deserve media attention, IMO. I wouldn't be involved if that was what they wanted."
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auntiebj - 07:07pm Jan 13, 1999 MST (#66 of 66)
If you wanna dance, you have to pay the fiddler.
Cecie, There is nothing to compute. Back in November, Lance used to post over on WS and was into a major confrontation with another poster hat named Obsessor. The flames were flying left and right for several days between the two and it appeared that many of the WS regular posters jumped on the act including the owner of the site slamming on Lance and taking this Obsessor's side. Jameson, the moderator of that forum, basically left the flaming threads there for most of the day until Lance seen them and called Jameson on the phone and demanded that she delete all the threads and she finally did. Obsessor continued posting at WS with the support of the WS management and other posters and Matthews returned to his forum of choice, BNF to flame Obsessor, Murphy and Nodules.
Then Matthews started posting on JW and for a while his posts seem to stay and were okay. For some reason he posts at JW started to disappear. In my opinion I think it was because of the Colfax threads he started that developed an attitude about it but I can't speak for the owners and moderators of JW as to his posts were being deleted but Matthews was not happy about it with just cause. In the meantime, Matthews and Jameson developed this relationship or friendship or whatever you want to call it.
Since I am not Matthews keeper I have no idea why or exactly when Matthews did the turn around and developed a change of heart regarding Murphy or this Nodules poster but he obviously did. But that is his personal preference. My personal opinion is that Matthews wanted to be friends with both sides which we can all see from the last couple weeks hasn't worked out too well. I honestly do not know what his relationship is with Chris from JW and/or this Andy poster and it does appear that there seems to be some tension between Beanie and Matthews but I do not know the story on that either.
On the Dminor radio call: I don't know the poster personally who called the show under the Dminor hat and had no idea what she was planning on doing prior to the show but she did clearly state her mission right at the beginning of the call. Opposed to what Matthews posted regarding the rules of the show with his saying he and Dave Lucas agreed on there being that no personal confrontations allowed, well that information was NOT what was emailed to me in a group e-mail which I assume this SamKay got along with all the other blind e-mail recipients nor was that posted out on any of the forums that I seen. The e-mail I received from Matthews read exactly as: "In case you haven't visited the forums...
Tonight's format has changed and the show is about YOU, the posters in the Internet subculture. I have only been online since Aug twenty-sixth, this year, and feel you have more to say 'bout this chit.....please call in!!!!" I can't speak for SamKay's decision to do what she did. It looked to me that Dminor called to give HER POV and that is what she did. In my opinion as a bystander is that SamKay should not have been blasted regarding her call to the show. She obviously took what Matthews wrote in the e-mail as her being allowed to call and give her POV and her POV just happened to be her personal desire to inform others of her personal opinion about Jameson. I am not saying she was right or wrong for doing it but she had as much right to call the show as any other caller. And like Lee Harvey Oswald, I guess SamKay as Dminor acted alone but I am sure there will be conspiracy theories down the road.
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auntiebj - 04:19pm Jan 14, 1999 MST (#31 of 36)
If you wanna dance, you have to pay the fiddler.
Lance,
I was going to answer your posting comments here today but actually Ginji said almost all of it for me. I don't think I could have topped her posting. And I do understand the position you put yourself in. Between J.T. Colfax and Jameson, you are dealing with two very high controversial people here and with both there is a very large audience of people with negative opinions about them.
One last thing I want to say and just kind of tucked this under your belt and think about it now and then. Your anger at Dminor IMHO was a compound issue between your attempt to control your allegiance to keep your promise to Jameson not to be confronted on the air and your dislike for the past history of SamKay when she was under a different hat. You didn't even know her then yet you are judging her totally by what others are saying about her. Maybe they are true and maybe they are not. Yet on the other hand you can't understand why others have a problem with the past history they had with Jameson that is creating all their anger. Maybe what they are saying is true and maybe it is not. The point here is, that you sometimes have to walk in others shoes to see and understand how they feel. There goes those shoes again.......
END OF POSTING BY AUNTIEBJ (aka ACANDYROSE)
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lflowers - 06:33pm Jan 13, 1999 MST (#60 of 66)
"if you want to find out who your friends are, go to a madhouse or to jail" Charles Bukowski
Listen carefully...you people need to understand that this is the DAVE LUCAS show.There are RULES OF CONDUCT,determined by WROW's program director, that must NECESSARILY be followed on the air.It was very clearly specified that the show in question remain a NON confrontational one; to reinterate what Lance has attempted to explain many times now. Please also try to realize that we've been dealing with some very high profile case people here who are NOT necessarily at legal liberty to take spontaneous questions from the public. This has nothing to do with your personal beliefs about Ramsey guilt or innocence...it isn't about conspiracy theories, or favorotism, or one side being given preference over another...it's reality; and it's the way it is. Dave's show is not your stomping ground.
As far as Jameson's setting forth the predetermined conditions of her appearance; well, so what? She was a guest. She did US a favor....not the other way around. She didn't ask us to come on....we asked her. So why is it so difficult for some of you to grasp the concept of her wanting to insure a flame free appearance?
I'm going to point it out again: some of the people involved in this case may or may not be in a legal position to answer certain questions. There's technical aspects to take into consideration here. Please consider this point before you start complaining about being denied ACCESS.
END OF LFLOWERS POSTING
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jameson_ - 09:48pm Jan 13, 1999 MST (#83 of 83)
http://members.tripod.com/~jamesonTimeLine
I don't watch much TV but I do know how some talk shows are run. I watched how Pam and Linda were treated on Leeza. I talked to both of them after the show and they are sorry they made the effort to be heard in that format. I had never heard the Erin Hart show but I have heard the Peter Boyles show and I know how he treats HIS guests - especially those he disagrees with. Why would any sane person volunteer to do THAT to themselves? I certainly would NOT.
Lance approached me and said he wanted a show with both sides represented. I said no, thanks. He persisted. What were my concerns? He really wanted both sides there. I told him my concerns. I would not go on a show where I would be cut short or screamed over. I would not enter a "pis*ing contest" with the forum flamers. I was willing to go on and talk to him, I was not interested in talking to people like Beanie and gsquared.
You have a problem with that? Tough.
And yes, Lance did announce early in the shows that they were to be respectful, informational and not confrontational.
You ask why he didn't ask where the name "jameson" came from. I don't know. I would have answered. No secret. Um - was it because I am John Ramsey and my father's name was James? or was it really that I am John Ramsey and JA (is) ME SON ? Maybe it was because we live near BURKE County! Seriously, it is the same name I used for years, well before the murder. Nothing "Ramsey" about it.
You said, " you are passing off your POV and at the top of your TimeLine you should clearly state that." I do, quite clearly. Official documents are in blue. News reports are in black and my personal comments are in brown. Perhaps you should read before you criticize.
change to: As far as what Dave or Lance said about the Redd Herring site - I don't tell Dave or Lance what to say............I do believe Lance had said that his favorite site WAS the Redd Herring site. He said he "thought it was the best Ramsey site."
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jameson_ - 09:53pm Jan 13, 1999 MST (#84 of 84)
http://members.tripod.com/~jamesonTimeLine
You said, "Last year when posters asked you about your personal involvement in the next documentary, you, yourself posted ...... "The project is not about me as a poster, why I am following the case. It is not about "Ramsey Forums" or on-line wars. It is not about the TimeLine. None of these things deserve media attention, IMO. I wouldn't be involved if that was what they wanted." This is true - the documentary is not about me or the TimeLine. We are involved, but not the subject. The post was a response to many flame posts demanding to know why I was the subject of a documentary - why wasn't anyone else called. Well, I am NOT the subject of the documentary.
You ask why I am "plugging the TimeLine". Well, why not? I didn't say it doesn't deserve media attention. I said it wasn't the basis for the documentary.
You want an explanation from me as to why I went on Dave Lucas' show after criticizing the "Snoop Sisters" for going on Leeza? Nope, I owe you no explanation. I have my reasons and owe no one an accounting.
You wanted a show with both POV represented? Mrs. Brady was on, Chris was on, Dr. Hodges was on, Darnay Hoffman was on, The "lie guy" was on. I think the show was balanced. I appreciate the fact that it was a controlled show. Everyone had his/her time to speak unmolested. Apparently, you like confrontational shows. I don't. I rather listen to everyone speak so I can decide for myself what they have to offer.
You said I am too involved with this case. OK, whatever.
You don't like me promoting my TimeLine or POV. OK, I can live with that.
I do not owe anyone here an explanation. And I am not about to start pretending I do.
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jameson_ - 05:28pm Jan 12, 1999 MST (#6 of 9)
http://members.tripod.com/~jamesonTimeLine
I understood that everyone was going to be invited on the program to discuss their own involvement on the net. Basically there was a list of questions that Claudia and Chris answered and I was asked the same questions. I understood that the different forums and their flavors would be discussed. Nothing wrong with that. But I also understood that it was not going to be a "Jerry Springer" type show where there would be lies and accusations against other posters.
I agreed to go on a show that was informational, not confrontational. Dminor was calling into the confrontational show and knew just what she was doing.
END OF POSTING BY JAMESON
FROM THE BOULDER NEWS FORUM:
To: AUNTIEBJ
matthews - 12:31am Jan 14, 1999 MST
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"You can hardly slam the poster who took the identity of Dminor on the Dave Lucas show for stating her POV other than she used a bogus hat. "
No, I slammed her because she upset me by being confrontational and changing the mood and direction of the show.
"When Dminor called in she was not out of control, she was not obnoxious, she was not vicious. She was calm and collected and she was voicing her POV and she had every right to do that as any other caller to the show. "
I believe she was calm and presented what she had to say in a rational manor.... However, she was voicing her POV about a person...not the forums or the internet. Say "Jameson's Timeline is crap and all lies," and THAT would be O.K. by the shows format, but say "Jameson this... and Jameson that," NO. Which brings me to the next one...
"If you and Dave Lucas had a different format discussed prior to the show then that was something between you and Dave, not something all the Internet posters knew about. "
We did tell everyone in chat before the show. Chris, Jams, a few others and I all met in chat the night before and chatted about the show. I should've posted it more clearly.
"You angered a lot of the posters because you rubbed it in their faces that no matter what they said, no matter what they wanted to say, they were not allowed to say but you allowed your new friend to say whatever she wanted and because it was acceptable to you then it was okay to let her voice her POV. "
I wouldn't have wanted ANYONE to say ANYTHING bad about another poster on the show. THAT was what we meant by NON CONFRONTATIONAL.
"Obviously many of them have a problem with Jameson and you knew that well in advance. Yes. You were playing with fire and you were protecting her. You knew somebody was going to get burnt. Then you came out on this forum half cocked with your hair trigger attitude and temper along with your girlfriend and used vulgar language and attacked people with a vengeance. "
I came back here and was attacked.... go see the times of the posts.
"If it had been Obsessor on the show would he have been allowed to voice his POV as you did with Jameson? "
Yes, he would. As long as he remained coherent and didn't verbally flame anyone. I would have him on and let him talk about how he thinks Colfax is the perp if he wanted... just nothing about other posters. cont......
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matthews - 12:32am Jan 14, 1999 MST (#1 of 1)
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"You were showing favoritism Lance. You brought your new friend to the radio show and you allowed her all the air time YOU wanted her to have. And I am not saying she is not allowed her POV, she has as much right as everybody else does. But the point is that everybody else did not have the right and you were blocking them. You were clearly bias."
Ma Brady and Chris had airtime.... so we have Me and Ma and Chris....Beanie in the wings waiting to come on the show....and you are complaining about the show being biased??? ONE ProRam came on the show and the rest of the show was ALL anti-Rams cast for the evening and this is biased??? Yes, it was...it was unbalanced and mostly anti-Ram, IMO. What are you saying here? Because people couldn't confront Jameson on the air....it was a baised show?......AND ...NO, everyone did not have the "right" to state their POV. You are subjected to the rules of the FCC and the station and subjected to the formatting laid out by the programing director and the wishes of the host. When you were on with jams the first show you described it as "like getting invited to a dog fight and then finding out one of the dogs was a princess." The tone of how you view actually getting a chance to say what you always wanted to to jameson, is very apparent in THAT sentence. Just say you are now upset cause jameson didn't get slaughtered on the show.
"What you care about is promoting J.T.Colfax and now obviously Jameson. And you have every right to promote your two new friends. "
I will keep on promoting J.T. and I will keep on being true to people I consider to be friends of mine. As far as promoting Jams.... I will stick up for someones RIGHTS to express "the other side of the fence" everytime. I might hate what they have to say and believe in the complete opposite, but I have to back their RIGHT to voice their opinions.
"He already told me he had a pre-arrangement with you prior to you coming on each and every radio show that he would "guarantee" that nobody would confront you. Now you tell me what is wrong with a confrontation regarding view points? Was he or you afraid that other posters would ask question you didn't want to answer?"
Just wanted to avoid a Jerry Springer show.
"And if Lance had a prewritten list of question to ask everybody then how come he didn't ask you how you came up with the name of Jameson as a hat on the show as he asked everybody else that question? Was that just an oversight? "
Yes actually it was an oversight... and jameson was teasing you on the other thread.... I asked her about THAT a while ago.... simple answer THAT could be verified.....JAMESON was used because it is the name of her registered home school....In NC, when you teach your kids at home you need to register your home school with the state, to be accredited. Since her two boys would be home schooled...she combined her husbands name (James) and the fact THAT her two sons would attend (Son) and put it together... JAMESON Home School..... Simple.
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matthews - 12:37am Jan 14, 1999 MST (#4 of 5)
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"When Beanie mentioned ReddHerrings website I didn't hear Lance or Dave jump on that as another good timeline that should be archived as a history record on the case. "
BJ, When you get the tapes..listen... I did say THAT I thought the Redd Herring site was the best...and I do!
"The problem is that Lance did his homework for the show but the homework was YOU and your POV. He admitted he knew very little about the case so he should have had a opposition on the air with you who knew as much about the case as you did and that didn't include Pam Paugh or Linda McLean and you all shared the same POV. "
I had no opposing people on with Dr. Hodges or Darnay either.
"All good media shows have pro and con available on a subject at the same time. "
First time trying to organize something like that... and maybe if the next one goes through as planned we will "team up" opposites...(there is only 2 "live" lines into the airwaves at the studio.) I think you are right in this sentence.... I though Beanie did well with Pam, though... AND Pam was great with the whole show. (I'd like to see her face off with McCrary or Dr.Hodges)
"And no, I wouldn't have wanted to see a "Jerry Springer" type show either."
What the hell do you think woulda' happened if callers could've confront jameson on the air???...... Answer: Springer without the visual...imo.
"One of the reasons Matthews did not show favoritism to JW is that he felt he was not treated favorable there as he had postings that were deleted and he had no problem whatsoever confronting China on that via the radio show "
Nor problems confronting Chris on THAT either.... Ask her if you like... I mentioned it to her a few times...she checked around and said no one deleted it.
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matthews - 12:37am Jan 14, 1999 MST (#5 of 6)
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"And I don't have a problem with his friendship with you except that I don't want my e-mails to him forwarded to you as he forwarded yours to me in the past."
When I first was e-mailing Jameson, I found it facinating THAT everything I would mail to the jameson addy would come back twisted into a proRam thing. I would mail of reasons I thought they did it and mail would come back refuting everything and showing how it would all fit into ProRam logic. I sent you and about 4 others that one e-mail saying something like "Hey guys, I can use your help on this". In the letter was about 9 points That I was arguing with jams and needed some "heavier guns" to help prove a reasonable suspicion of Ramsey guilt to the "jameson spin machine"... I heard a lot of stories about jameson and decided to find out what jameson was for myself. I told her what I had done with the e-mail in one of our first verbal conversations. I formulate my opinions on my own. I tried to put different POV's aside and see a person behind all the hoopla on the forum. I succeeded.
"And yes, Dminor knew what she was doing. She stated that fact very clearly at the get go. Not many people knew what she was going to do prior to the show but it was no surprise once she was on the air. Like I said in my original posting here on this thread, Matthews knew well in advance what it was like out here on the forums and he knew who was on the whose negative list. He knew many posters had a problem with you for their own reasons. He was playing with fire and somebody was going to get burnt and it turned out to be Matthews and Lisa because they shoved you and your POV into everybody's faces who had a problem with you."
Shoved her POV in everybodies faces????.... An unbiased show would've been what then....NO ProRams, as opposed to the ONE ProRam we had on? Or best to save her for last so she gets to conclude the show and in one sweeping sentence, she negates all the AntiRam POV? I put Ma on... Then Chris.... then Jams... What else could I have done? I feel ,like this is all because I tried not to have anyone say anything bad about anyone else that was on the show...
Confrontation example.... You could've told Dr.Hodges or Linda THAT their books suck and are crap....BUT you coudn't have said THAT They (Dr.Hodges or Linda) suck or are crap.
One last thing for tonight... I FORGOT TO GIVE SPECIAL THANKS TO MRS.BRADY, FOR ARRANGING FOR DARNAY AND DR.HODGES TO APPEAR!... THANKS MRS.BRADY!!!!!!!
END OF POSTING BY MATTHEWS
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ginja - 11:00am Jan 14, 1999 MST (#19 of 20)
Ohhh what a tangled web....
Matty, Matty, Matty, did you really tell beanie to "get that kunt"!!!! The meds have worn off, buddy....here goes. The topic of the show was the "internet subculture". That "subculture" revolves around the "warring" factions in that the subculture is comprised of three groups: the pro-Rams, the anti-Rams, and the fencesitters. A well-balanced program would have put those three factions to the test. Fencesitters are basically neutral, so the validity of argument would have been between the pros and antis. The host's position would be to pull out the differences of opinion between the two factions. And those differences would have to be validated. On that, the show failed on all counts.
Lucas sat back and let you "control" the format. But you went further and "manipulated" it. What I mean is, is that the "host" would open the show with a brief outline that there's a subculture, it's made up of this and that, and then he'd open the lines for the "factions" to take the reins and keep the show moving. The "host" sits back and basically referees...he doesn't take over and take most of the air time to voice his own POV. If, and when, the callers get out of hand, go off topic, defame others, or out-and-out lie, then the host should come back and bring order.
The problem I saw that night was that "you" controlled not only the show's format, but the callers. It was not yours, or even Dave Lucas' , position to "avoid" confrontation. You put Jameson on...great achievement, congratulations...I take nothing away from you for doing that. And you let Jams continue with her POV. Fine, too. But the real problem you avoided and refused to tackle, was her credibility and the validity of her comments.
The reason why there are two different sides to this fence is because there are different POVs of the facts! It's one thing to get on the air and say the Rams aren't guilty because the caller doesn't believe the Rams capable of murder. But what of the actual facts! There's no credibility or validity to that statement. And when someone like Jameson is put to the test to validate her comments, her response is "I can't divulge that." That's neither credible nor validating.
DMinor's call was to force validity and credibility of an issue. You have hundreds of people listening in on a show that's telling them that this person (Jameson) is valid and credible and that if she says or claims the Rams are innocent, they believe it carte blanche, because she "sounds" credible and what the hell, she's on a radio show. DMinor's call was necessary to point to the fact that Jameson's claims "weren't" valid or credible, or, at the very least, shouldn't be accepted as carte blanche.
I've listened to the tapes of the night I was on and can't believe so much was said and I didn't comment. Being sick and on meds isn't a good time to be making any statements on live radio, for sure! :-) I think, god! how did I let Lance get away with that! or why didn't I come back with this or that! For what it's worth, if I had been well and straight, you'd have had more to contend with than a phone call from DMinor!
So anyway, interested in doing this again with a straight, healthy kunt?
END OF GINJA POSTING
Lance Matthews Solution To the problems on
The Boulder News Forum (BNF)
On The JonBenet Discussion Board
A Special Discussion on the Dave Lucas Radio Show
February 16, 1999 ~ 1:00am-3:00am EST
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02-15-1999 Show Commentary
The following sections of this radio show were recorded live off the Internet from radio station WROW Albany, New York on Monday night, February 15, 1999.
Host was Dave Lucas with guest Lance Matthews. Lance Matthews was an Internet poster who often filled the role of guest host on the radio show. Lance was activily promoting J.T. Colfax, a Boulder County jail inmate at the time with daily postings on the Boulder News Forum where many regular members voiced unwelcomed interactive forum discussions. Lance was also promoting Colfax as part of the Dave Lucas scheduled radio show in a series discussing inmates on the web.
The regular members of the BNF were in a major forum war with Lance Matthews that started in the fall of 1998 and continued for three months. That war included the hacking of the J.T. Colfax web site by unidentified persons and the infighting was vicious and malicious from both sides. I was an active member on the Boulder News forum from July 1998 through May 1999 and was witness to the events as well as being the one responsible for recording the live audio of the Dave Lucas show. Those live radio shows were encoded into realaudio by me personally and are part of this Webdollie realaudio series documenting the history of the Internet subculture following this case.
This particular scheduled live radio show was unique in that it was announced at the spare of the moment by Matthews on the BNF as a show for the members of the forum to call into the radio show that night to discuss the problems that were occuring on the BNF. From postings by members on the BNF it was apparent that nobody was interested in calling into the show with the main reason being over a posting Matthews did called "Madkowz's Valentine Special." The posting Matthews did was filty and vile and posters vowed never to return to the Dave Lucas show if Matthews was on the air.
This was the posting that Matthews put on the BNF to announce the show:
A POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOR THE B.S. ON THIS FORUM
"matthews - 02:43am Feb 15, 1999 MST
Thank GOD for the first amendment!!!!
In an effort to return the BNF forum to a reasonable place to dicuss the JBR case... Dave Lucas will host an on air discussion on the JBR forum on BNF. Gary Love has been invited and will hopefully answer questions from us all. The discussion will start at 11:OO MST tonight. Chat will be open for those who prefer to talk via their keyboards. Thank you for reading this, Lance"
The radio show went on the air at 1:00am EST as scheduled and a few posters appeared in the WROW chat room as I set up to record the show from my home. I typed up an e-mail to Lance that contained my opinion of what had been going on. Shortly afterward Lance brought another Internet poster name Jameson on the air. Jameson is well known as a die-hard Pro-Ramsey supporter and was not very well liked by a large percent of the Internet community. Jameson always quoted that others didn't like her because she defended the Ramseys but many voiced a different story and contributed the dislike to Jameson's past history on the forums where they accused her of being deceitful surrounding tales of gender confusion to out right lies and many believed she was part of the RST (Ramsey Spin Team.)
In addition to the poster fighting over Matthews force feeding J.T. Colfax down their throats, he also took up for Jameson and basically promoted her on several previous shows referencing her often as the Internet authority and archivist on the case so it wasn't a surprise when Lance brought Jameson online this night in what was obviously to many as a teaming up for the anticipted incoming calls.
Lance and Jameson were talking about the murder case and of course Jameson was talking as though she is the authority and she went from talking about errors in Larry Schiller's new book and that she had one full chapter of the book for quite some time she said prior to the book being released. Jameson also talked about the mysterous bear that was photographed on JonBenet's bed but said nobody in the family ever seen the bear before except Pam Paugh stated she did see the bear when she went to the house shortly after the murder. Jameson also stated that the friends the Ramsey's who were called that morning of December 26th were called to bring the ransom money over and she said that included the Reverend.
Forty-five minutes to an hour had passed and still no incoming callers to discuss the situation on the BNF. The conversation continued between Lance and Jameson as Jameson explained to Dave Lucus how she happened to be allowed to tour the Ramsey Boulder house in October 1998 and from there she went on to explain where she got the stun gun theory. From Lou Smit, of course.
Finally some posters in the WROW chat room began making references to the "Madkowz's Valentine Special" posting Lance did on the BNF but Lance basically blows off the reference and changes the subject back to Jameson talking about the intruder theory. She talks about the house, the size, the doors, windows, the sound experiments she and others did and then she got to the ransom not